beretta87
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Reged: 29/01/2008
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i am currently in the process of my shotgun licence application.at the moment the police are waiting on the person who signed my photo to come out of hospital. i have never been in trouble with the police until saturday 26th january 2008. i said trouble but it was a stop check . basically a few mates and i stayed in another friends hotel room in birmingham , i went to sleep and so did a few others but the rest thought it would be funny to stay up and throw things out the window. anyway we got chucked out the hotel by the police and given a stop check form, when doing a body search on my name it came back that i was in the process of applying for my licence i was assured by the officer that it would not affect my application but im bloody worried now. can anyone enlighten me on whether it will affect my application please? after all its not a criminal conviction, or arrest or any other offence or even a caution its just classed as a stop check.
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CptCarling
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The wording on the application is along the lines of:
"have you ever been convicted of an offence, even a traffic offence"
In your case, you were NOT convicted, as a conviction has to be made by a court.
It can not be stressed enough: If you have ANY concerns regarding Firearms or Firearms Licencing, TALK TO YOUR LOCAL POLICE FIREARMS DEPARTMENT. They are there to help and they can be very helpful indeed. They wont make black marks in a little book whenever you ask a question, in some instances, it can HELP if you do contact them.
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belmontcj
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Reged: 27/11/2007
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Beretta, I'm certain you will have no problems with this at all. A word of caution though, I was involved in scuffle many years ago that resulted in a night in a small square room for about 30 people! No charges were brought and we didn't even receive a caution.
When i applied for my shotgun ticket the enquiry officer asked the question, "have you ever been in trouble with the Police?" I answered with the detail of the story, a note was made on the form and the interview progressed.
At the end of the meeting I asked if the incident mentioned would cause a problem. Our FEO answered, "only if you had lied about it!"
Even though it was not a conviction the police still had record of the event. So whilst you surely have nothing to worry about, be honest if asked.
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beretta87
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yeah
i had the local firearm office come round last monday before this thing happened what with the hold up in getting in contact with the person who signed the photo i was wondering if anything would come up if he done a check again. im only worried about not getting the licence as it would be unfair seeing as i had done nothing there were 8 other people in a twin room . i dont want to tell my dad because hes always gone on about how sacred having a licence is.
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Brownbear
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Reged: 01/01/2008
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Loc: Devon
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I wouldn't worry about it. Phone the FEO if you want to do so, but if you weren't one of the offenders I don't see how it could affect you.
Oh, and if I were you I'd choose my friends a bit more carefully.
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RobJones303
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Beratta there is no need to worry - Besides I'm sure by now you have your licence...
Funny Story for you though...
I was driving back home on Christmas eve with a car full of friends when I drove through a set of traffic lights just as they went to amber.
Little did I know but as I crossed the actual junction - the lights changed to red. Unluckily for me the junction was being watched by the local Police area car - which justly started following me.
Anyway - to cut a long story short they pulled me over, and checked all my details.
While the WPC was explaining why I had been pulled over, her male colleague was checking my details with the Contol Room.
I suddenly remember hearing over the radio;
Contol Room 'Yes, Confirmed, Robert Jones, Age 20, erm, says here he has firearms history'
My heart literally skipped a beat while both policemen just looked in disbelief at me. I thought for a second that I had been reported for some firearms offence and that I hadn't been informed about. Anyway, the woman in the control room soon corrected herself saying 'Oh, sorry, he has a firearms LICENCE....'
I will never forget those few seconds of confusion, when the three of us literally s#*t ourselves!
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belmontcj
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Loc: Aberdeenshire
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Any word yet?
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James_the_cripple
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Beratta there is no need to worry - Besides I'm sure by now you have your licence...
Funny Story for you though...
I was driving back home on Christmas eve with a car full of friends when I drove through a set of traffic lights just as they went to amber.
Little did I know but as I crossed the actual junction - the lights changed to red. Unluckily for me the junction was being watched by the local Police area car - which justly started following me.
Anyway - to cut a long story short they pulled me over, and checked all my details.
While the WPC was explaining why I had been pulled over, her male colleague was checking my details with the Contol Room.
I suddenly remember hearing over the radio;
Contol Room 'Yes, Confirmed, Robert Jones, Age 20, erm, says here he has firearms history'
My heart literally skipped a beat while both policemen just looked in disbelief at me. I thought for a second that I had been reported for some firearms offence and that I hadn't been informed about. Anyway, the woman in the control room soon corrected herself saying 'Oh, sorry, he has a firearms LICENCE....'
I will never forget those few seconds of confusion, when the three of us literally s#*t ourselves!
Good job the person on the other end checked exactly what your firearm history was or you would have been cuffed after 'falling down the stairs'(allegedly) and the vehicle searched. I've been stopped by an armed response vehicle, very scary, for having a brand new gunslip stood in between the seats of a van. Just bought it and got reported for having a weapon, or someone seeing a weapon as I drove through a town.
Hopefully the police will train their staff to read the details before mentioning firearms to the police on the beat.
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MikeEve
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"Hopefully the police will train their staff to read the details before mentioning firearms to the police on the beat. "
In fact every police force in the country has at least one copy of The Police Officer's guide to shooters -
http://www.basc.org.uk/media/guide_to_armed_police.pdf
If you come across a police officer who knows little or nothing about our sport - point him at this document - it will help.
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BBB
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Gent's!! a couple of points here.
Beretta 87,
Please don't worry, I can absolutely assure you have nothing to worry about at all. I am a serving police officer and can assure you that Stop and search forms are for your benefit! The idea is to explain to you why police has cause to speak to you or had grounds search you. That doesn't mean your in any form of "trouble" In no way are they any form of warning or anything like that. from the incident you descibed the officers would have been acting in a civil capcity on behalf of the hotel manager anyway.
As for the coment by the control room staff. Firstly, there is no such thing as "The police" Different police services operate entirely differnently, use different terminology and have various computer packages and means of recording data. Gents we are all Human! James I'm sure your not excempt from the occassional slip of the tounge. Just what exactly difference do you think such a comment would make durring a stop? Police deal with whats in front of them at the time. We work on evidence not speculation. comments regarding firearms are for the officers safety. It is perfectly clear to me what was meant and remember the control room staff was speaking to her colleauge not a member of the public. it's a very common warning these days.Rob,I can assure you there's no way you wouldn't know had you any previous convictions for firearms offences, you wouldn't have a certificate for a start!! 
As for police knowledge of firearms of course it will vary from one officer to another depending upon personal experience both in and out of work. The law of this land is absolutely vast. Can all teachers teach phyics?! Legaly held firearms are not something most officers come across very often at all. Legal responsible owners are not a concern to us. Gents, police are here to protect us all. Our hands are always tied far more than you ever know, especialy under a criminal friendly labour government but all in all I think most of my colleauges do a fantastic job. As legal, responisble shooters don't be worried when dealing with the police.
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belmontcj
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Reged: 27/11/2007
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Loc: Aberdeenshire
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Wise words AND a dig at good 'ol Mr. Brown, and from a peeler? I am most impressed BBB! Regretably not all that choose to wear your uniform are as informed or articulate.
Your comment on variance in performance from office to officer is true and fair, unfortunately human nature is such that we all only recall the negative experiences.
We are VERY fortunate in Aberdeenshire as the local bobbies DO have a regular contact with firearms, both privately held and in the line of their duties, because of the nature of the area.
That said, the picture nationally does not seem to be quite so favourable especially since the introduction of the integrated firearms computer system.
Until the police as a whole adopt a similar attitude to your own their image amongst most shooters will not improve.
Belmont
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whittazz
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Reged: 21/05/2008
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hi, i was wondering, considering your a police officer, if you would know if having a drink driving convicion would stop me getting a licence? gun licence that is :-)
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MikeEve
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whitazz,
I know I'm not BBB, but I did serve for 32 years with the police, including service in a firearms licensing department.
There's no easy answer as every case should be dealt with on its individual merits, and to add to that every force deals with these matters in different ways.
If you are a member of a shooting organisation, I would ring them for help and advice as your first port of call - if you're not a member, it would probably be as well to join - just for that help and advice.
All the best !
MikeEve
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VinceGreen
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On the subject of the drink driving conviction. My friend Mick was granted a shotgun cert. after a DD ban some years before. No problem at all.
I have heared of others who weren't so lucky, I think its all down to who processes the paperwork.
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