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    Signing licence

    Hi quick question. I live in West Yorkshire. I am buying a shotgun from a friend. There on online forms for buying and selling a gun which you email in to police. Does the friend also have to write the gun details on the back of my certificate or is filling in the online forms all that is required

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    Yes, they need to fill out the details and sign it. The computer system is the "helper" to police - the law still requires the use of paper certificates as it hasn't been updated to allow for electronic management / tracking. The proposals from the Law Commission currently being considered by parliament may change that, but for now, you need it "old school".
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    Durham have come on leaps and bounds recently.
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    Down load the PDF/print it out.
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    Fill the form in.
    1 for the recipent of the gun and 1 for the seller to fill in.
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    the seller fills the details on the recipitents cert.
    forms get sent off recorded delivery.
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    so as Adam(Neutron) says it's still old school.

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    Sorry guys a little confused here. I filled in on line form and emailed it. Got a confirmation from West Yorkshire police to say they had received it. Is that not enough ?

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    No, it has to go on the certificate.
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    If you're out with your new gun and you don't have your license, they'll either take your gun or call it in. You will probably now be OK if they do the latter.
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    The problem will arise either when you're out with new gun and your licence - in which case an officer might request to see it, look at the gun, serial number and licence and find that you don't have it on your certificate, which will almost certainly mean you getting arrested on the spot - or when you come to sell the gun and the dealer asks to see your certificate for the new one, at which point it becomes clear that your (current) new gun has broken provenance and a sensible dealer won't touch it with a barge pole (i.e. could the gun have been bought illegally / used in a robbery / etc.?)
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    Yes, it's a crappy system and yes, the police are trying to work more effectively by computerizing it - credit to them for that. However, they do try to bend or break the law to suit them and the ways they want to save time. You have to remember though that they're doing it to benefit them, not you.
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    My own licensing authority seemed somewhat surprised when I told them that, recent renewal delayed by 2 weeks, I'd stored my guns at the local RFD. Well what else was I going to do? Possession of firearms / shotguns without a license is a summary offense - i.e. if it's proved that you possessed them, there is no defense - so I end up going to jail and losing my hobby.
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    The same is generally true of offenses relating to certificates. The conditions on your shotgun certificate (bottom of the front page) say that you have to record new acquisitions on the certificate and notify the police. These are legally binding and breaking a condition on a certificate (either kind) is another summary offense punishable by 6 months or a large fine (or both).
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    Until the law is changed, you are putting yourself and your hobby in danger unless you do what it requires. The police will still hang you out to dry, given the chance - even if their firearms department was the one that told you to break the law or implied that it was acceptable. They have the power to assist in the upholding the law, but certainly not to change it, which is vested in the Sovereign via Parliament.
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    My new gun is on my licence. I'm talking about informing the firearms dept which I have done via their e mail system. I basically have bought 2 guns. One from a shop and one from a mate. The shop wrote on my licence and my mate wrote on my licence. The paperwork confirming purchase of new guns was sent in on the West Yorkshire Firearms e mail system.

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    Ah ok - sorry - then you're covered. I thought you were still talking about the original signing of certificates - my bad.
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    If it is registered on your shotgun certificate then you are ok
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